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Should a multinational company pay tax in each country where its customers are?

In April 2018 the New Zealand news site Scoop ran an open conversation on tax, and 334 people voted. Its most agreed statements were about multinationals and public services.

A public Polis conversation on tax in Aotearoa New Zealand

Write your position on this Read the two starter cards

How 334 people voted on statements about it

From a public Polis conversation in Aotearoa New Zealand, April 2018: “Tax HiveMind Window”. People wrote statements and voted agree, disagree or pass on each other’s. These rows are the statements most voters agreed with, the ones that split voters most evenly, and the ones the fewest agreed with, out of 71 that at least 15 people voted on. Statements about the voters themselves, insults and unchecked factual claims are left out. Passes are not counted.

0%25%50%75%100%share of voters who agreed with each statement

Most agreed

  • We should be following countries like Australia and the UK and ensuring multinationals pay their fair share of tax in New Zealand where people are using their services.

    184 agreed, 5 disagreed (97% agreed) · statement 80

  • Good quality, accessible public services are the necessary foundations for any well-functioning nation

    239 agreed, 7 disagreed (97% agreed) · statement 39

  • Taxes need to be simple to understand and transparent

    94 agreed, 5 disagreed (95% agreed) · statement 105

Split the room

  • A broad-based, low-rate system with few exemptions is the best overall approach to tax in New Zealand

    76 agreed, 95 disagreed (44% agreed) · statement 16

  • It is not a lack of tax income that leads to underfunded services, but rather the choices made by government on what are priorities to fund

    71 agreed, 61 disagreed (54% agreed) · statement 82

  • There should be no exemptions to GST as it’s impossible to rationally decide what should and should not be exempt. Exemptions are gamed by companies and are only good for the lawyers.

    132 agreed, 103 disagreed (56% agreed) · statement 22

Fewest agreed

  • Low taxes are the only real check on the size of government

    24 agreed, 190 disagreed (11% agreed) · statement 17

  • I propose Increasing GST to 25-30% and ban all Income Tax and dissolve the IRD as I would become a redundant department

    8 agreed, 140 disagreed (5% agreed) · statement 55

Where the groups agreed

Polis sorts voters into opinion groups by how they voted across the whole conversation. This one found 2: Group A (40 voters) and Group B (255 voters). These are the statements every group was most likely to agree with, ranked the way Polis ranks common ground: the chance of agreeing in each group, multiplied together. Under them is the statement the groups were furthest apart on.

  • We should be following countries like Australia and the UK and ensuring multinationals pay their fair share of tax in New Zealand where people are using their services.

    Group A25 agreed, 5 disagreed (83%)
    Group B158 agreed, 0 disagreed (100%)
  • Good quality, accessible public services are the necessary foundations for any well-functioning nation

    Group A29 agreed, 6 disagreed (83%)
    Group B209 agreed, 1 disagreed (100%)
  • People who fall on hard times should have access to basic services in a timely manner. These should be funded by national taxes.

    Group A26 agreed, 4 disagreed (87%)
    Group B195 agreed, 0 disagreed (100%)

Where they split

  • NZ should reduce tax on income and increase it on wealth and pollution.

    Group A0 agreed, 4 disagreed (0%)
    Group B37 agreed, 7 disagreed (84%)

The conversation: pol.is/5sw7wa5dep. Its data: The Computational Democracy Project, CC BY 4.0.

Two starter cards

Written for the hearth so this question has a whole card on each side to argue with. No visitor wrote them, so the two parts only a person can fill are empty: what happened to you, and who on the other side called the case against fair.

Yes

Where this card stands
Yes. A company that sells to people in a country uses its roads, courts and workers, and should pay tax there in proportion to its sales.
How sure, before and after the case against
75%65%
The strongest case against it
Taxing by where customers are means each country taxes the same profit its own way, and small exporters get buried in rules from dozens of countries.
What would change this card’s mind
If a sales-based system cost small firms more to comply with than the extra tax it raised from large ones.
What happened to you
Empty on a starter card.
Called fair by someone on the other side
Nobody yet. Only a person can fill this.

Argue with this card

No

Where this card stands
Not on its own. Tax profit where the work and investment happen, and close the loopholes that let profit move to places with no staff.
How sure, before and after the case against
55%50%
The strongest case against it
Profit can be moved on paper to wherever the patents are held, so where the work happens is easy to fake. Sales are much harder to hide.
What would change this card’s mind
If rules to close loopholes left the share of profit booked in low-tax countries where it was.
What happened to you
Empty on a starter card.
Called fair by someone on the other side
Nobody yet. Only a person can fill this.

Argue with this card

“Argue with this card” opens the card on the front page with this card’s position as the case against you. You write where you stand and what would change your mind.

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